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was it the fact your side couldn't push the benghazi issue? what changed the last weekend toward obama? >> certainly, i think sandy changed things. it let the president be president. i think that helped. >> it changed the subject from benghazi. >> i would also say this race was more of a referendum in some way on mitt romney than it was the president, and that's unusual -- >> does your side -- i know you're a true believer, and i respect that. do you think -- i mean it. do you think they didn't really believe he believed? >> no, i don't think that was the problem. i think the bigger problem was two things. they never personally connected with him. they never felt this attachment, and they didn't see him as -- >> personal. >> second of all, i think we failed middle income blue collar voters who feel we no longer understand their life, no longer are fighting daily for them, and they think what we're about are just the social issues and fighting for tax breaks for the wealthy. that's not what we're about, but we sure let that perception happen. >
was it the fact your side couldn't push the benghazi issue? what changed the last weekend toward obama? >> certainly, i think sandy changed things. it let the president be president. i think that helped. >> it changed the subject from benghazi. >> i would also say this race was more of a referendum in some way on mitt romney than it was the president, and that's unusual -- >> does your side -- i know you're a true believer, and i respect that. do you think -- i mean it....
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, so what are the lessons from benghazi and how high should the focus go. mike o'hanlon and pete j. crowley. the same question as experts in this field. is this the kind of thing that happens when we have nervy, courageous diplomats who are willing to go into dangerous areas and it just happens? that occasionally the enemy erupts up out of nowhere, you can't predict the next turbulent storm to hit in these areas of the third world, especially in post-revolutionary libya. and it's not really anybody's fault unless everything that happens bad is somebody's fault. >> it's an important question. >> which is it? >> i have a nuanced answer. this was clearly not the state department's finest hour and it's easy to say in retrospect. also, i will make an analogy with military commanders in the field who often make decisions that could be second-guessed and sometimes wind up getting people killed unnecessarily, but you don't assess a battlefield commander's entire tenure on one call. this was not the best decision that could have been made, and we need to accept a ce
, so what are the lessons from benghazi and how high should the focus go. mike o'hanlon and pete j. crowley. the same question as experts in this field. is this the kind of thing that happens when we have nervy, courageous diplomats who are willing to go into dangerous areas and it just happens? that occasionally the enemy erupts up out of nowhere, you can't predict the next turbulent storm to hit in these areas of the third world, especially in post-revolutionary libya. and it's not really...
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you have the benghazi report this morning. you've got the talk about the fiscal cliff, which underneath it suggests that government should do more with less, and the state department to some extent is a manifestation of that. it's actually an incredibly well managed bureaucracy. however, over the years it has been systematically underfunded. when a defense budget goes to the hill, congress -- members of congress go what can we add to it? when the foreign relations budget goes to the hill, the reaction is what can we subtract from it because it's not the same political constituency. >> i want to bring in our panel here. you know, josh, we -- there's been so much back -- there's so much politicizing over everything from, you know, the fast and the furious, attorney general eric holder, the benghazi events that were certainly tragedy iic, the loss of life, the loss of the u.s. ambassador. it has been so embroiled in politics and you add a clinton to the mix, and it gets even more political, and i will call your attention to charl
you have the benghazi report this morning. you've got the talk about the fiscal cliff, which underneath it suggests that government should do more with less, and the state department to some extent is a manifestation of that. it's actually an incredibly well managed bureaucracy. however, over the years it has been systematically underfunded. when a defense budget goes to the hill, congress -- members of congress go what can we add to it? when the foreign relations budget goes to the hill, the...
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on benghazi, the hearings will be held tomorrow. i think that certainly on the senate side they will be polite. two top officials, the two top deputies are going to be testifying. but this has been a devastating report there is no way to sugarcoat it. it basically said there is systemic fault in the state department. and it goes all the way back at least until 1998, that the improvements that had been ordered in 1998 after the embassy bombings in kenya and tanzania have not been done. and that there are security failures at high-threat posts all over the world. >> andrea, i think about the relationship of the state department to the other giant in the american government in terms of our relations and our outposts around the world. and that of course is the defense department. anybody close to the missions of those two departments talks about how much the state department is dwarfed by the pentagon in budget and in what they're consequently able to do. is this the sort of thing where the state department just isn't capable, hasn't be
on benghazi, the hearings will be held tomorrow. i think that certainly on the senate side they will be polite. two top officials, the two top deputies are going to be testifying. but this has been a devastating report there is no way to sugarcoat it. it basically said there is systemic fault in the state department. and it goes all the way back at least until 1998, that the improvements that had been ordered in 1998 after the embassy bombings in kenya and tanzania have not been done. and that...
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consulate in benghazi. rice attributed the attacks to an angry mob. later, it was revealed that u.s. intelligence knew al qaeda was involved. rice said she was not given that information. some republicans said they would block her no, ma'am nation to become secretary of state. >> today i made the decision it was the best thing for our country, for the american people, that i not continue to be considered by the president. >> and rice's announcement makes massachusetts senator john kerry the likely front-runner to be the nation's top diplomat. >>> there's one week to go before congress is supposed to head home for the holidays. as of right now, there's no deal on that year-end fiscal cliff. tracie potts has the latest on this. after so-called frank talks during president obama and house speaker john boehner's second face-to-face in a week, people are hoping for good news there. tracie, good morning. >> reporter: wish we had some to deliver. from all accounts there is still a stalemate in washington over preventing these tax hikes and spending cuts that
consulate in benghazi. rice attributed the attacks to an angry mob. later, it was revealed that u.s. intelligence knew al qaeda was involved. rice said she was not given that information. some republicans said they would block her no, ma'am nation to become secretary of state. >> today i made the decision it was the best thing for our country, for the american people, that i not continue to be considered by the president. >> and rice's announcement makes massachusetts senator john...
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was it the fact that your side couldn't push the benghazi issue that they were pushing for some weird reason before that? what changed the last week for obama? >> i think sandy changed it a little bit. they let the president be president. i think it helped. >> i would also say this race was more of a referendum in some way on mitt romney than it was the president and that's unusual. >> did your side -- i know you're a true believer and i respect that. i mean it. do you think they didn't really believe he believed? >> no, i don't think that was the problem. i think the bigger problem was two things. they never personally connected with him. they never felt this attachment and didn't see him as this person. that's his personality. secondly, i think we failed midd middle-income blue collar voters who feel we no longer understand their daily life and that we think it'sal about the social issues and fighting the tax breaks for the wealthy. >> i know. my dad's a regular republican, not a right winger. he e said the trouble with my party is they care about the big corporations too much, like
was it the fact that your side couldn't push the benghazi issue that they were pushing for some weird reason before that? what changed the last week for obama? >> i think sandy changed it a little bit. they let the president be president. i think it helped. >> i would also say this race was more of a referendum in some way on mitt romney than it was the president and that's unusual. >> did your side -- i know you're a true believer and i respect that. i mean it. do you think...
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was it the fact your side couldn't push the benghazi issue? what changed the last weekend toward obama? >> certainly i think sandy changed things. it let the president be president. >> it changed the subject from benghazi. >> i would also say this race was more of a referendum in some way on mitt romney than it was the president, and that's unusual -- >> does your side -- i know you're a true believer, and i respect that. do you think -- i mean it. do you think they didn't really believe he believed? >> no, i don't think that was the problem. i think the bigger problem was two things. they never personally connected with him. they never felt this attachment, and they didn't see him as -- >> personal. >> second of all, i think we failed middle income blue collar voters who feel we no longer understand their life, no longer are fighting daily for them, and they think what we're about are just the social issues and fighting for tax breaks for the wealthy. that's not what we're about, but we sure let that perception happen. >> my dad is a regular
was it the fact your side couldn't push the benghazi issue? what changed the last weekend toward obama? >> certainly i think sandy changed things. it let the president be president. >> it changed the subject from benghazi. >> i would also say this race was more of a referendum in some way on mitt romney than it was the president, and that's unusual -- >> does your side -- i know you're a true believer, and i respect that. do you think -- i mean it. do you think they...
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she will not testify before congress this week on the attack on the american consulate in benghazi. but the results of an independent review about what happened that day are expected to be presented to the state department today, according to one report. >>> the electoral college will officially cast its ballots today. it still won't make president obama's victory official, though. congress has to certify the count on january 6th. >>> we will have much more from newtown in our next half hour as well as news from washington, including some movement potentially on the fiscal cliff negotiations. could there be light at the end of the tunnel? i love the holidays. and with my bankamericard cash rewards credit card, i love 'em even more. i earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. 2% on groceries. 3% on gas. automatically. no hoops to jump through. that's 1% back on... [ toy robot sounds ] 2% on pumpkin pie. and apple. 3% back on 4 trips to the airport. it's as easy as... -[ man ] 1... -[ woman ] 2... [ woman ] 3. [ male announcer ] the bankamericard cash rewards card. apply online or at
she will not testify before congress this week on the attack on the american consulate in benghazi. but the results of an independent review about what happened that day are expected to be presented to the state department today, according to one report. >>> the electoral college will officially cast its ballots today. it still won't make president obama's victory official, though. congress has to certify the count on january 6th. >>> we will have much more from newtown in our...
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i know the senate is the confirming body, not you, but does this end the controversy over benghazi, or does that continue and need to be investigated? that, the panel having spoken, and hillary clinton having promised to follow-up. sfoo no, there's still a long ways to go to get to the bottom of benghazi, and making sure it never ever happens again. i'm sure that senator kerry will be easily confirmed from the senate. i think he is a good and decent person. i probably disagree with him on most every issue, but many terms of being a good person, i'm sure he will be confirmed, but we have as to go on benghazi. >> your committees have said you want to hear from hillary clinton? >> absolutely. she was the person in charge. we have four dead americans. we have -- think about it. in a 60-day period a group said there are more than two dozen systemic failures. they offered 60 recommendations. what in the world has been going on over there to have so many problems? >> let's talk about gun control because the national rifle association has responded, and basically said let's stop the bad guys w
i know the senate is the confirming body, not you, but does this end the controversy over benghazi, or does that continue and need to be investigated? that, the panel having spoken, and hillary clinton having promised to follow-up. sfoo no, there's still a long ways to go to get to the bottom of benghazi, and making sure it never ever happens again. i'm sure that senator kerry will be easily confirmed from the senate. i think he is a good and decent person. i probably disagree with him on most...
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diplomats in benghazi. joining us now from washington, former national security adviser for president carter, dr. zbigniew brzezinski who's the author of "strategic vision: america and the crisis of global power." dad, good to have you on. >> and you need to call him the great hunter. >> yes, he is a hunter. and former democratic congresswoman from california and director and president of the woodrow wilson center, jane harman. and bob woodward still at the table as well. good to have you with us today. where do we begin? benghazi? >> let's start with the benghazi report. dr. brzezinski, what was your take on it? >> it's a powerful report. it points the finger where the finger should be pointed. it seems to me that as i understand it, some people are resigning. that's probably proper, even though sad. at the same time, i don't feel that people should be pointing fingers at the secretary because in a big bureaucracy, in a big government, a lot of decisions are made at different levels. and, of course, there'
diplomats in benghazi. joining us now from washington, former national security adviser for president carter, dr. zbigniew brzezinski who's the author of "strategic vision: america and the crisis of global power." dad, good to have you on. >> and you need to call him the great hunter. >> yes, he is a hunter. and former democratic congresswoman from california and director and president of the woodrow wilson center, jane harman. and bob woodward still at the table as well....
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>> well, i think benghazi will be a black spot on four tremendous years of secretary of state. i'm giving the star to what i call obama coalition. african americans, latinos, gays and lesbians, young people, women, all the things that we've been talking about all year and even tonight who came together and decided that they wanted to give him four more years. despite where the economy is. despite the right track, wrong track. they decided to tell the republicans all of your talk aboutous being demoralized, that we're not for this guy anymore. that's bunk. we're with him. >> well, who out of that coalition. is there a person -- >> i yield to the lady to my left. >> for me, it doesn't go to one particular person. it goes to latinos. it goes to the latino electorate which really flex eed its political mussel. not just because of the growth of the population and the record turn out, but because of where they are. latinos are strategically placed in red states. and they're pushing these into light red, into purple. and eventually, it's going to the take a little bit. texas is going
>> well, i think benghazi will be a black spot on four tremendous years of secretary of state. i'm giving the star to what i call obama coalition. african americans, latinos, gays and lesbians, young people, women, all the things that we've been talking about all year and even tonight who came together and decided that they wanted to give him four more years. despite where the economy is. despite the right track, wrong track. they decided to tell the republicans all of your talk aboutous...
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that was in response to the benghazi report. jamaal simmons, secretary clinton has been teflon, if you will, susan rice attracted all of the criticism in the early days and yet this report puts it right at the doorstep of the state department and she runs the state department. >> before the election, she came out and said i accept responsibility. and the recommendations came out, she said i will accept all the recommendations from the report. i think she's trying to do her best to own this as from a responsibility perspective. she's a popular person. people think she's done a good job at her job. >> certainly was a -- she was supposed to testify tomorrow. we know due to illness, she can't. deputies will testify in her place. she may testify in january. some say she better testify before john kerry's confirmed. >> it is the illness that launched a thousand conspiracy series, quite skeptical. but the incentives changed for republicans. during the campaign, they preferred to pin this on obama herself. hillary is a popular figure. t
that was in response to the benghazi report. jamaal simmons, secretary clinton has been teflon, if you will, susan rice attracted all of the criticism in the early days and yet this report puts it right at the doorstep of the state department and she runs the state department. >> before the election, she came out and said i accept responsibility. and the recommendations came out, she said i will accept all the recommendations from the report. i think she's trying to do her best to own...
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that's why he was so obsessed with benghazi, because he had nothing else. and even benghazi, of course, was overblown. >> let's take a look at this. this is an ad by the superpac supporting president obama. it was singled out by politifact for being false. it was a devastating but powerful ad that left the impression that mitt romney and bain capital had responsibility for a woman's death. let's listen. >> when mitt romney and bain closed the plant, i lost my health care, and my family lost their health care. and a short time after that, my wife became ill. i don't know how long she was sick. and i think maybe she didn't say anything because she knew that we couldn't afford the insurance. and then one day she became ill, and i took her up to the jackson county hospital, and admitted her for pneumonia, and that's when they found the cancer. and by then it was stage 4. there was nothing they could do for her. and she passed away in 22 days. i do not think that mitt romney realizes what he has done to anyone. and i hurt more, i do not think that mitt romney is
that's why he was so obsessed with benghazi, because he had nothing else. and even benghazi, of course, was overblown. >> let's take a look at this. this is an ad by the superpac supporting president obama. it was singled out by politifact for being false. it was a devastating but powerful ad that left the impression that mitt romney and bain capital had responsibility for a woman's death. let's listen. >> when mitt romney and bain closed the plant, i lost my health care, and my...
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and a report on the attack in benghazi has been sent to congress ahead of hearings later on this week. now back to "hardball." >>> welcome back to "hardball." has the political power of the nra peaked in the wake of the newtown shootings or are they just laying low waiting for the storm to pass. since friday they've been absent from the discussion on guns. today they released a statement saying they've been quiet, quote, as a matter of common decency, but they are planning -- in fact, they have a press conference set for friday. according to "the new york times," it has an established precedent for responding, quote, over the years the nra has perfected its strategy for responding to mass shootings. lie low at first, then slow roll any legislative push for a response. has something fundamental shifted in the guns debate however since friday or will it be business as usual with the nra calling the shots? in a moment mayor michael nutter of philadelphia will be with us. he's the head of the united states conference of mayors, and mark glaze is executive director of mayors against illega
and a report on the attack in benghazi has been sent to congress ahead of hearings later on this week. now back to "hardball." >>> welcome back to "hardball." has the political power of the nra peaked in the wake of the newtown shootings or are they just laying low waiting for the storm to pass. since friday they've been absent from the discussion on guns. today they released a statement saying they've been quiet, quote, as a matter of common decency, but they are...
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what did the president know about benghazi? the u.n. ambassador has no relation to her qualifications to be secretary of state. and i think the gop has had this really nagging complaint that there was too much information given about the bin laden and reflected too well on the president. they can't. criticize the fact the administration went after and did something the president was able to do and that was hunt down bin laden. i don't think it's justified. and i think it's political grapes. but all of this has been a tremendous distraction from what we e ought to be focused on. where are we in hunt for people who killed our ambassador? and bringing them to justice? in an ordinary course of events, that would be the sole focus. >> let's hope no one is taking their eye off of that. that's the most important thing right now. i want to switch topics with you and go to the fiscal cliff. how much harder does that make it to reach. a deal? >> it really doesn't make it anymore difficult. we're see egg the usual choreography of negotiations wher
what did the president know about benghazi? the u.n. ambassador has no relation to her qualifications to be secretary of state. and i think the gop has had this really nagging complaint that there was too much information given about the bin laden and reflected too well on the president. they can't. criticize the fact the administration went after and did something the president was able to do and that was hunt down bin laden. i don't think it's justified. and i think it's political grapes. but...
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clinton had been scheduled to testify about benghazi this week, but deputies will testify in her place. enter john bolten, former u.n. ambassador under george w. bush. he's not convinced of clinton's illness. >> you know, every foreign service officer in every foreign ministry in the world knows the phrase i'm about to use. when you don't want to go to a meeting or a conference or an event, you have a diplomatic illness. and this is a diplomatic illness to beat the band. >> victoria nuland responded saying bolton doesn't know what he's talking about. in bolton's case that's all a reasonable, safe assumption. >>> up next, is the horror of newtown marking the beginning of the end of the nra's dominance over the issue of gun control in this country? you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >>> welcome back to "hardball." has the political power of the nra peaked in the wake of the newtown shootings or are they just laying low waiting for the storm to pass. since friday they've been absent from the discussion on guns. today they released a statement saying they've been quiet, qu
clinton had been scheduled to testify about benghazi this week, but deputies will testify in her place. enter john bolten, former u.n. ambassador under george w. bush. he's not convinced of clinton's illness. >> you know, every foreign service officer in every foreign ministry in the world knows the phrase i'm about to use. when you don't want to go to a meeting or a conference or an event, you have a diplomatic illness. and this is a diplomatic illness to beat the band. >> victoria...
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and mitt romney thought he had him on the ropes with the benghazi nonsense. the president just let him proceed. not only was that a great, brilliant move in that moment, but it also but it was also em blematic of how he just had to let mitt romney talk. and it was so objectionable to the american people that they definitely wanted to go in a different direction. >> so please proceed governor from the second presidential debate. >> you got it. >> well, i think that probably i would say the best move of the year i would have to say was the campaign ground game. i think you almost went there. you were half way down the is aisle, wu ybut you turned aroun. i think that they turned out a terrific ground game. i think if you rook look at the that the republican polls were right but they underestimated turnout, that was the ground game. it would be a much different award and a much different revvie, too. >> okay, up next, we have this dud's for you award for the worst political move of 2012. let me start with you, crystal? what was the worst move and who wins that aw
and mitt romney thought he had him on the ropes with the benghazi nonsense. the president just let him proceed. not only was that a great, brilliant move in that moment, but it also but it was also em blematic of how he just had to let mitt romney talk. and it was so objectionable to the american people that they definitely wanted to go in a different direction. >> so please proceed governor from the second presidential debate. >> you got it. >> well, i think that probably i...
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for someone that isn't that well known, she has been associated with just this fight and just benghazi. >> the biggest number at all is most people don't know enough about her to make up their opinion. as we know, the way politics worse is that absence two sides of a debate, one side will win. if there is one piece of information, it's all been pretty negative about her so far. i do think there is a risk for republicans regardless of whether they will say that if they proceed with a pretty ugly i think there are problems with terms of tone and how aggress he have the republicans want to be seen as going after her especially because so many attacks are over this benghazi issue and over talking points, and -- >> she had nothing -- >> look. her critics make other arguments, and you can debate the substance of that, but many terms of just sort of this is a very narrow cast discussion right now over a tv appearance. >> over one tv appearance. diversity is always an issue in the obama cabinet. just like any other administration. >> that's right. >> interestingly enough, it's been 15 years si
for someone that isn't that well known, she has been associated with just this fight and just benghazi. >> the biggest number at all is most people don't know enough about her to make up their opinion. as we know, the way politics worse is that absence two sides of a debate, one side will win. if there is one piece of information, it's all been pretty negative about her so far. i do think there is a risk for republicans regardless of whether they will say that if they proceed with a...
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>> "clinton: i take blame for bengha benghazi." she has the awareness to more closely than i think we have heard before describe on the record what we know about it. and to be contrite. you've seen her do this multiple times but in less showy forums. you've seen the president do this when she was questioned about opposition to susan rice. she will do it in this format we're all very aware of the theatricality of. we've kind of already heard republicans drop off the benghazi issue. they started it by proposing so many hypotheticals that have now been proven wrong. i think she can close many pages of the book with a good performance this week. >> you just used a word. theatricality. is that a slate word? did you just make that up? >> i think of it whenever i see people, member of congress, preening and trying to get witnesses to embarrass themselves on tv. i think of that word. >> matt welch, what's the headline? >> "benghazi syonara." we have strange coptic christians now in jail. we have david petraeus' sex life and strange society
>> "clinton: i take blame for bengha benghazi." she has the awareness to more closely than i think we have heard before describe on the record what we know about it. and to be contrite. you've seen her do this multiple times but in less showy forums. you've seen the president do this when she was questioned about opposition to susan rice. she will do it in this format we're all very aware of the theatricality of. we've kind of already heard republicans drop off the benghazi...
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then after he got out of that one he starts talking about benghazi and all this other stuff and lost that one argument. could he have won if he said, i'm the guy you need for this job. >> part, you need to go back and show why the policies were going to work. for example, if you take a look at 2003 bush tax cuts, by 2007, $800 billion more revenue had come in and the deficit was cut from $370 billion to $260 billion. did you hear him say that? that's what he needed to do, full-throated defense of republican policies that bush implemented but also he could have used to show why his policies would work. ultimately when you make it a referendum, you take the arguments off the table. >> do you buy that he should have defended all the republican policies of bush and his own? >> no, because those policies got us in trouble in 2008 in a great many ways. bush inherited a surplus and left with a massive deficit. didn't monitor the financial system and so on. the most important point is david's right about, which is there's no such thing as a presidential referendum election. i've covered ten
then after he got out of that one he starts talking about benghazi and all this other stuff and lost that one argument. could he have won if he said, i'm the guy you need for this job. >> part, you need to go back and show why the policies were going to work. for example, if you take a look at 2003 bush tax cuts, by 2007, $800 billion more revenue had come in and the deficit was cut from $370 billion to $260 billion. did you hear him say that? that's what he needed to do, full-throated...
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why'd he go after benghazi for two weeks? why'd he change from business experience? >> i have no idea. and, you know, really you almost saw what happened. it's like all of a sudden they woke up and said my god we can win this thing and didn't keep on the same path. everybody started kind of taking credit for that one good night instead of trying to recreate it night after night. >> let's cut ahead now. i love what you said about david axelrod and saying the guy wouldn't sell his religion. he couldn't sell the good work he did with relief society and looking out for members of his lds group. he couldn't do that without selling the philosophy of the religion? >> there were family and friends that wanted the campaign to emphasize things romney had done. that was who he really was, talk about that. and a at the convention there was an effort to have a moving video. the problem is this ran before the networks broadcast in primetime, the commercial networks. and then in primetime of course was clint eastwood. so the message that got out was not -- >> that was a hail mary,
why'd he go after benghazi for two weeks? why'd he change from business experience? >> i have no idea. and, you know, really you almost saw what happened. it's like all of a sudden they woke up and said my god we can win this thing and didn't keep on the same path. everybody started kind of taking credit for that one good night instead of trying to recreate it night after night. >> let's cut ahead now. i love what you said about david axelrod and saying the guy wouldn't sell his...
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in other words you get right to the edge of, you know, a benghazi wipeout or a potential real use of chemical weapons and then that drives the coalition response. i think it's highly doubtful that the qatar would take action but highly probable a calculation that involves turkey and thus nato forces were to take action if chemical weapons were to be used and i would think that despite what we may have heard about lines before, the fact is that the inside dimensions of syria are so complicated and nasty right now that you almost have to be at near use or at use of those weapons to get the kind of actions that we're talk iing about. and it really is horrible that you have to 0 wait to see the atrocity to drive this up to a higher level of action, but there are so many that are fearful of being involved in getting inside the mess that that's unfortunately where we're at. >> let's talk about what happened and also what happened yesterday but that was across the pond. secretary of state meeting with the russian counterpart, david and steve, this is both to you. david, let me start with yo
in other words you get right to the edge of, you know, a benghazi wipeout or a potential real use of chemical weapons and then that drives the coalition response. i think it's highly doubtful that the qatar would take action but highly probable a calculation that involves turkey and thus nato forces were to take action if chemical weapons were to be used and i would think that despite what we may have heard about lines before, the fact is that the inside dimensions of syria are so complicated...
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you don't need to expend all this political capital on what is going to be an interminable benghazi investigation. john mccain signaling he wants to go on the foreign relations committee, he was going to lead the way. >> let's get this from chuck as well. do you think that clinton, secretary clinton or former president clinton, they have done this i know in private, said what they thought about this, they were for kerry. did they ever express that or lobby for kerry or against rice in this case do you know? >> it's my understanding they didn't. i think that hillary clinton understood where the president's loyalties lie, that he was leaning towards susan rice, and she wasn't going to start a debate and try to -- and i think, in fact, those close to secretary clinton really tried to snuff out those stories that secretary clinton wanted kerry over rice, didn't want to have rice replace her. i think she stayed out of that a lot. so i don't think that they were going to step into that at all. i mean, i know there's always been speculation that susan rice and secretary clinton weren't close, and it all
you don't need to expend all this political capital on what is going to be an interminable benghazi investigation. john mccain signaling he wants to go on the foreign relations committee, he was going to lead the way. >> let's get this from chuck as well. do you think that clinton, secretary clinton or former president clinton, they have done this i know in private, said what they thought about this, they were for kerry. did they ever express that or lobby for kerry or against rice in...
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secretary clinton offering a vigorous defense of susan rice, the context obviously being the attacks on benghazi and libya and the republican calls for more information. is there anything to be read from the fact that we have seen both president obama and secretary of state clinton go out of their way in a way to defend susan rice? is there anything we should tea leave read from that fact? >> well, chris, i think the president and secretary of state were right to defend per. these allegations are completely unfounded. they're unfair to her. she is a very talented, very effective, committed public servant. you know you know how those sunday show work when administration officials of either party go on, they're following talking points that the republican or democratic administration, whichever party's in power, has constructed and that's what susan did that morning. if any other administration official had been on the air that morning they would have said essentially more or less the same thing. i don't think the attacks are fair and she deserves a chance to be considered for any office that the
secretary clinton offering a vigorous defense of susan rice, the context obviously being the attacks on benghazi and libya and the republican calls for more information. is there anything to be read from the fact that we have seen both president obama and secretary of state clinton go out of their way in a way to defend susan rice? is there anything we should tea leave read from that fact? >> well, chris, i think the president and secretary of state were right to defend per. these...
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i mean the benghazi thing, it was a mistake, a terrible thing. we don't have actually the whole story out because the other half of the story is what the cia was doing at the annex. and that part hasn't actually been released. this was an internal look at the state department. and as any good group of people do, look tough at yourself first before you look at the interconnections with the other agencies. someone else has to look at those interconnections because this panel is a panel that secretary clinton actually appointed, former joint chiefs of staff mike mullen, tom pickering, other people like this were on this panel. they looked intensively at the department. and of course you find things wrong when you look at that, and -- but the state department has been under tremendous budgetary pressure for years. and now the challenge -- and one challenge that secretary kerry is going to have is how do you measure the effectiveness of diplomacy versus the risk to your personal knell? you can't run diplomacy like drone attacks. you have to be there.
i mean the benghazi thing, it was a mistake, a terrible thing. we don't have actually the whole story out because the other half of the story is what the cia was doing at the annex. and that part hasn't actually been released. this was an internal look at the state department. and as any good group of people do, look tough at yourself first before you look at the interconnections with the other agencies. someone else has to look at those interconnections because this panel is a panel that...
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consulate in benghazi. take a listen. >> susan rice has done a great job as our u.n. ambassador. she has been a stalwart colleague in a lot of the tough decisions that we've had to make. and certainly with respect to defending our national interests and national security at the united nations. >> so clinton is also going to testify on benghazi next week. what are the politics of all of this for secretary clinton? and are there risks for her here? >> i don't think there are necessarily risks for her here as long as she stays out of the whole fray of susan rice and congressional republicans. there's an awful lot going on on that score, but i tnk hillary clinton may be able to keep herself above all that. by the way, we keep expecting the white house for this rice situation to be resolved. we fully expect president clinton to make -- excuse me, president obama to make his announcement about his national security team any day now. >> what do you hear with regards to that, david? are you hearing that susan race is going -- susan rice is going to get the nod or that the waters are shar
consulate in benghazi. take a listen. >> susan rice has done a great job as our u.n. ambassador. she has been a stalwart colleague in a lot of the tough decisions that we've had to make. and certainly with respect to defending our national interests and national security at the united nations. >> so clinton is also going to testify on benghazi next week. what are the politics of all of this for secretary clinton? and are there risks for her here? >> i don't think there are...
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she doesn't even -- she managed to dodge the whole situation on benghazi pretty well for herself. you know, the tougher questions are being faced by her old foe, the president right now, who's in this incredibly difficult position. and losing stwo nominees is not a small thing. it does impact the rest of the budget debate, too. >> and what newt gingrich is also saying is that she would be very difficult to beat. that's what you hear around washington is that republicans who used to love the idea of having hillary clinton out there as the latest pinata, they're very worried that that's going to mean three democratic wins in a row. richard's point about how she's -- how the record that she has as secretary of state, they backed off her. secretary clinton's people point out that her polls are as high as they've ever been, despite this publicity. there's been no decline in her standing. so republicans who are salivating at the idea of having her for fund-raising and having her because she's great copy, but they also realize that ee electree electric torally, she's a huge threat. >> mi
she doesn't even -- she managed to dodge the whole situation on benghazi pretty well for herself. you know, the tougher questions are being faced by her old foe, the president right now, who's in this incredibly difficult position. and losing stwo nominees is not a small thing. it does impact the rest of the budget debate, too. >> and what newt gingrich is also saying is that she would be very difficult to beat. that's what you hear around washington is that republicans who used to love...
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did politics overshadow the real issues of what happened in benghazi and if so why? >> they did overshadow it and it continues. we had a hearing this week in foreign affairs. my republican colleagues want to continue to focus on it in a way that i think is not constructive at all. the report came out of the state department. the state department accepted responsibility and said that they should have done more. at the same time my republican colleagues also want to cut the very funding that is needed to protect the embassies around the country. so i think it is disingenuous and all about attacking president obama and the way that they torpedos susan rice. i think directing their attacks at her was inappropriate and they are still talking about it. >> democratic congress woman karen bass of california thank you very much and hop haappy holidays. >>> we will hear. a second look at the first lady and the next act for chelsea clinton. you are watching msnbc. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet,
did politics overshadow the real issues of what happened in benghazi and if so why? >> they did overshadow it and it continues. we had a hearing this week in foreign affairs. my republican colleagues want to continue to focus on it in a way that i think is not constructive at all. the report came out of the state department. the state department accepted responsibility and said that they should have done more. at the same time my republican colleagues also want to cut the very funding...